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Le marxisme a une définition unique de l'État: que l'État est l'organe de la répression d'une classe sociales sur toutes les autres. Pour les marxistes, toutes états est intrinsèquement une dictature d'une classe sur les autres. Dans cette définition, l'idée de [[Dictature du prolétariat]] peut vouloir dire n'importe quoi de l'[[Résistance violente|utilisation légitime de la force physique]] par des conseils d'ouvriers/ères armés/es jusqu'au monopole de la force par un parti composé d'intellectuels se réclamant d'être ''chefs du prolétariat''. Dans la théorie marxiste, si la différence entre les classes disparraîssait, l'État disparaîtrait aussi.
 
Le marxisme a une définition unique de l'État: que l'État est l'organe de la répression d'une classe sociales sur toutes les autres. Pour les marxistes, toutes états est intrinsèquement une dictature d'une classe sur les autres. Dans cette définition, l'idée de [[Dictature du prolétariat]] peut vouloir dire n'importe quoi de l'[[Résistance violente|utilisation légitime de la force physique]] par des conseils d'ouvriers/ères armés/es jusqu'au monopole de la force par un parti composé d'intellectuels se réclamant d'être ''chefs du prolétariat''. Dans la théorie marxiste, si la différence entre les classes disparraîssait, l'État disparaîtrait aussi.
  
Les anarchistes, en contrastre, accepte la définition standart avec la compréhension que les élites politiques et économiques vont toujours dominer l'État, des propos également partagés par les Réalistes et les libéraux mais disputés par les néo-libéralistes qui voient l'État comme une barrière à l'exercice d'un pouvoir de l'élite inrestrint et par les marxistes qui voient l'État comme un outil potentiellement util qui peut être saisi et utilisé par l'avant-garde du prolétariat.
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Les anarchistes, en contrastre, accepte la définition standart avec la compréhension que les élites politiques et économiques vont toujours dominer l'État, des propos également partagés par les Réalistes et les libéraux mais disputés par les néo-libéralistes qui voient l'État comme une barrière à l'exercice d'un pouvoir de l'élite inrestrint et par les marxistes qui voient l'État comme un outil potentiellement util, qui peut être saisi et utilisé par l'avant-garde du prolétariat.
  
 
For anarchists, this means that the ideology claimed by specific states - be they [[capitalist]], [[fascist]] or [[communist]] - is largely irrelevant since all states are fundamentally violent and repress the working majority in favor of a ruling minority.  Furthermore, Anarchists contend that the "Workers State" advocated by Marxists is a logical impossibility since as soon as any self-styled "vanguard" seizes that State they cease being workers (if they ever were) and become members of the "[[coordinating class]]".  Anarchists disagree amongst themselves if democratic [[workers councils]] with a monopoly of violence constitutes a state or not.   
 
For anarchists, this means that the ideology claimed by specific states - be they [[capitalist]], [[fascist]] or [[communist]] - is largely irrelevant since all states are fundamentally violent and repress the working majority in favor of a ruling minority.  Furthermore, Anarchists contend that the "Workers State" advocated by Marxists is a logical impossibility since as soon as any self-styled "vanguard" seizes that State they cease being workers (if they ever were) and become members of the "[[coordinating class]]".  Anarchists disagree amongst themselves if democratic [[workers councils]] with a monopoly of violence constitutes a state or not.   
  
In practical terms, this fundamental disagreement about the desirability of seizing the state can be boiled down to the question of if and how much violence is acceptable in order to achieve a successful revolution. Anarchists argue that all states are "illegitimate" because they all rely on systematic violence, and that while small scale violence and even targeted assassination of criminal elites may be useful or necessary in some circumstances (see [[propaganda by the deed]]) mass violence against civilians - such as that practiced by Lenin to crush the Krondstadt uprising, by Stalin in his infamous Pograms, or by Mao during the "Cultural Revolution"  - is never acceptable or justifiable.  Marxists disagree and counter that "the ends justify the means", so any amount of violence and bloodshed is justified in order to achieve their ideal workers State.
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Au niveau de la pratique, ce désaccord fondamental à propos du désir de saisir le pouvoir de l'État peut être ramené à la question de si et combien de violences sont acceptables pour réaliser une révolution avec succès. Anarchists argue that all states are "illegitimate" because they all rely on systematic violence, and that while small scale violence and even targeted assassination of criminal elites may be useful or necessary in some circumstances (see [[propaganda by the deed]]) mass violence against civilians - such as that practiced by Lenin to crush the Krondstadt uprising, by Stalin in his infamous Pograms, or by Mao during the "Cultural Revolution"  - is never acceptable or justifiable.  Marxists disagree and counter that "the ends justify the means", so any amount of violence and bloodshed is justified in order to achieve their ideal workers State.
  
 
While Anarchists and Marxists both agree on the long-term desirability of a stateless Society (which Marx called "pure communism"), they have deep arguments about phases of a [[revolution]] between now and that ideal. Anarchists wish to "smash" the state, replacing it immediately with workers' councils, syndicates and other methods of organization that are decentralized and non-hierarchal.  Marxists, in contrast, wish to "smash" the bourgeois state, but wish to replace it with a new kind of state run by the workers. This Marxist desire is often referred to as "seizing state power." These arguments are often seen as critical, because they involved the autonomy of workers councils, the existence of secret police, the legitimacy of [[terrorism]] and [[state terrorism]] as revolutionary tactics, and the transparency of justice.
 
While Anarchists and Marxists both agree on the long-term desirability of a stateless Society (which Marx called "pure communism"), they have deep arguments about phases of a [[revolution]] between now and that ideal. Anarchists wish to "smash" the state, replacing it immediately with workers' councils, syndicates and other methods of organization that are decentralized and non-hierarchal.  Marxists, in contrast, wish to "smash" the bourgeois state, but wish to replace it with a new kind of state run by the workers. This Marxist desire is often referred to as "seizing state power." These arguments are often seen as critical, because they involved the autonomy of workers councils, the existence of secret police, the legitimacy of [[terrorism]] and [[state terrorism]] as revolutionary tactics, and the transparency of justice.

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